Fevin


SYLVIN
[DC] Annonce Janvier 2022
le 31/01/2022 20:33
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Bahamut52
Première classe du SOLDAT, Gongaga

le 31/01/2022 20:42
Marath?? Il va vite repartir sur la BL
ff26
Montélimar, France
le 31/01/2022 21:05
2 mois avec Marath et Friends Forever, heureusement que j'ai pas de tournois prévus dans les 2 prochains mois ^^
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
le 31/01/2022 21:06
Le vieux thread 30 pv existe encore, on peut faire de la nécromancie légale ?
meideros
Lyon

Légende
le 31/01/2022 21:08
Chouette!
Depuis le ban de cradle il fallait le tenter ! Surtout que ça a jamais vraiment affronter aggro dorkless dans ce format
Enfin une banlist qui fait plaisir!
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
le 31/01/2022 21:20
J'ai trouvé que le thread de ff26 qui présentait une liste volontairement atypique.
ff26
Montélimar, France
le 31/01/2022 21:26
J'ai plus rien, mais j'avais monté une liste de Marath enchanteresse. Incroyable.
noskcaj
En Hyrule

le 31/01/2022 22:31
Citation :
Le vieux thread 30 pv existe encore, on peut faire de la nécromancie légale ?

Pitié oui.


Sinon, vous allez en bannir combien de 20aine de généraux partner avant de faire un truc contre la capa elle même ? (spoiler: tous alors que vous devriez pas)
Fevin


SYLVIN
Partner
le 31/01/2022 22:40
Citation :
Sinon, vous allez en bannir combien de 20aine de généraux partner avant de faire un truc contre la capa elle même ? (spoiler: tous alors que vous devriez pas)


Autant qu'il faudra pour que la créativité offerte par cette capacité subsiste sans dominer.

"faire un truc contre la capa elle mêm" oblitererait instantanément la créativité, laissant soit rien (ban de jure ou de facto) ou juste la partie sans interet créatif (affaiblissement moindre laissant subsister que les partner les plus forts et les moins interessants).
ZeSword
Bruxelles, Belgique

AVATAR
le 01/02/2022 0:27
Citation :
INDIVIDUAL CARD CHANGES
%r Kraum, Ludevic's Opus is now banned as a commander only.
%r Livio, Oathsworn Sentinel is now banned as a commander only.
%g Teferi, Temporal Archmage is now legal.


EXPERIMENTAL CHANGES
%g Marath, Will of the Wild is now legal.


FURTHER INDIVIDUAL EXPLANATIONS
%T Livio, Oathsworn Sentinel and Kraum, Ludevic's Opus

Sharing multiple cards in command zones isn't a problem in itself, as explained many times. What can be, on another side, is that some cards get over the line of what is acceptable or not.

Though Livio, Oathsworn Sentinel neither offers much strength nor notable abilities, it just appears to have recently shown to be of great interest. Since it can always be played on tempo, it demonstrated to be a sufficient strategic play by essence: being dropped as a simple 2/2 for 2 mana value, Livio offers a good curve advantage, allowing the deckbuilder to not play any bad 2-mana creature, thus enhancing the quality of the 99 others as it helps against bad/slow/diminished starting hands, in addition to being a second commander which offers a new color for many other ones.

One year ago we thought it could remain a safe commander, but it appears to be too much for the format, which is why, in the end, we decided to ban Livio, Oathsworn Sentinel as a commander.

Kraum, Ludevic's Opus has long been a close-to-acceptable commander. It actually is a 4/4 haste and flying, which is the kind of combination some aggressive and midrange decks already play (like Glorybringer, Stormbreath Dragon, Goldspan Dragon or Hell's Thunder, for instance).

The fact it also has an extra drawing ability even helps a little against decks that would try to resolve two spells or bait with one lesser first.

Once having exhausted an opponent's resources, or sometimes simply being played on time, Kraum, Ludevic's Opus actually becomes a quick win condition and fast way to get out of a game. That, in conjunction with another commander since the start of games, makes it a perfect choice to fill two critical slots: a cheaper one to start on curve and this one to finish games.

Moreover, similar to Livio, Oathsworn Sentinel, but on the other side of the curve, Kraum, Ludevic's Opus allows the deckbuilder to always have a good late game tool without having to commit a lot of deck building space with their non-commander cards. Kraum, Ludevic's Opus will therefore be banned as a commander from now on.


%T Teferi, Temporal Archmage

Teferi, Temporal Archmage first appeared in November 2014, and it took some time to appear as a real threat, up to a point it was banned as a commander only in August 2019.

Since then, the pace at which games are won considerably increased, and many tools it used to rely on were removed, from the legendarily controversial High Tide in May 2020 to the most accessible extra turn spells (in May 2020 as well).

Such shifts in the B&R list definitely tamed it for now, so, despite the fact Teferi, Temporal Archmage is a planeswalker in a command zone, we concluded that it could be allowed a comeback.


%T Marath, Will of the Wild

Marath, Will of the Wild was originally banned in Duel Commander in July 2016. This was another era of Magic The Gathering and Duel Commander.

Though some things didn't change, some others did. Marath, Will of the Wild has a special, borderline use of the command zone, but in a way that's far from unmanageable. Most decks six years ago used to be annihilating all other aggressive builds, but the tides have turned, and the current builds show that they can compete with such decks.

It's probable that bringing it to the field will offer new opportunities for aggressive and/or combo decks, as it used to be in the idea, but with many new cards to include… And many more to face. Therefore, Marath, Will of the Wild is back to the fields as a commander, but will remain under special overseeing.
Megalir

Légende
le 04/02/2022 11:06
Yoshimaru, Ever Faithful

Et surtout, bonne créativité !
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
le 04/02/2022 11:27
C'est la panique !
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
le 04/02/2022 18:52
C'est pas si grave en fait. Les Friends Forever avaient déjà mis le feu à la meta des prochains mois. Ce chien ne va pas pourrir un meta sain.
ff26
Montélimar, France
le 04/02/2022 19:48
Vu comme ça ^^

Le pire ? On connait pas les autres partners !
Cirrus
Monsieur Zooka !, j'ai encore perdu mon badge !
Légende
le 05/02/2022 21:02
Livio, sentinelle assermentée, moins puissant que Yoshimaru, Ever Faithful, non ?
le toutou suivra le meme chemin
ConanLeBarbare
Elfe
le 05/02/2022 21:12
Et Mox Amber on le ban quand :'(
ff26
Montélimar, France
le 06/02/2022 12:59
A priori, une annonce sera faite fin de semaine prochaine (ou le lundi), à cause de Yoshimaru, mais y'a ptet d'autres horreurs pour le DC dans les packs commanders de Kamigawa.
Fevin


SYLVIN
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le 14/02/2022 20:29
noskcaj
En Hyrule

le 14/02/2022 20:40
Bordel, quelle annonce.
Enfin on agit et enfin on va dans le bon sens.
Il reste du taff pour corriger les formats (genre vous vouliez pas deja reban marath, tout me monde sait que ça arrivera) mais bon sang quelle bonne decision.
Et pour que même moi je le dise, c'est clairement que c'est monumental comme annonce.
bastos
Hérouville Saint Clair, France
Spectre
le 14/02/2022 22:21
Un vrai changement qui va dans le sens de la créativité très souvent mise en avant, c'est la très bonne nouvelle de la journée !
lablaisaille
modo Rum/MA/Sto


FORCE
le 14/02/2022 22:21
Waw sacrée révolution !
Très bien expliquée, bravo à vous pour avoir eu le courage de changer une règle du jeu !!!
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