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Légende
Ban du 29/05/2023
le 23/05/2023 10:03
Un leak probable des prochaines annonces de ban en Standard :

Citation :
Standard:
Wedding Announcement is banned.
The Wandering Emperor is banned.
Invoke Despair is banned.
Fable of the Mirror-Breaker is banned.
Raffine, Scheming Seer is banned.
Atraxa, Grand Unifier is banned.
Reckoner Bankbuster is banned.
Plaza of Heroes is banned.


You may notice that the majority of the cards we are banning today are from sets that would have rotated this fall before our announced change to Standard rotation. This is intentional because, beyond the individual reasons outlined below, many of these cards feel like they have overstayed their welcome and players are ready for a format without the constraints that these cards bring to deck building and gameplay. Taking action on these cards now will allow a large number of cards and strategies that were previously suppressed to have their time in the sun, and give Standard players a fresh, enjoyable format before the release of Wilds of Eldraine this fall. We’ll be breaking the banned cards down by color below, starting with black.

Invoke Despair
Invoke Despair represented an experiment on our part to push “punisher” style cards into a more competitive space. It also represented our relatively recent move towards letting black have some way to deal with enchantments. In this case, the “knobs” on this card were tuned a bit too high, with it being burn, removal and card advantage in one package. This has resulted in it being the default 5 mana play in all black decks, despite lots of other powerful options existing in the format. In order to allow for greater diversity of late-game plays in black decks, Invoke Despair is banned.

Fable of the Mirror-Breaker
Fable was one of the most-played cards in Standard at the recent Pro Tour March of the Machine, and has been highly played throughout its tenure in Standard (and beyond). Fable is another card where the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and yet each part is also very strong. Fable is a card that generally requires more than one card to reasonably answer, and sometimes much more than even that. It is a card that can win the game by itself when you play multiple copies. It also creates very similar play patterns game after game, which contributes to player fatigue.

Raffine, Scheming Seer
One of our goals with these changes is to ensure that while we ban cards from some of the top decks, we are conscious not to leave outliers that we are already confident will take their place. Raffine is a key part of the Esper Legends deck, which although it has fallen out of favor recently, was previously very successful. Raffine has a similar effect to Fable, in that she is difficult to remove cleanly, and contributes to repetitive game states and “snowball” effects very early in the game. We are consciously choosing to depower these Legendary-based decks so that they do not simply replace the black-red decks in the metagame.

Atraxa, Grand Unifier
Atraxa is a newer card than most of the ones we are banning today, although her effects on the metagame have already been felt across multiple formats. Atraxa was intended to be the payoff for playing a dedicated ramp and reanimator strategies. As the format has shaken out, it has become clear that the risk involved in ramping into or reanimating Atraxa is a bit too low, and the reward too great. As additional tools for these strategies enter standard in future sets, as well as improved mana bases to hard cast Atraxa more easily, we expect that she will be the default top end for many decks, which will likely prove frustrating for players. For this reason, we are choosing to ban Atraxa now in order to allow for a more diverse range of ramp and reanimator payoffs.

Reckoner Bankbuster
Reckoner Bankbuster was one of the most-played cards across all archetypes at Pro Tour March of the Machine. The requirements for adding Bankbuster to your deck are very low, as it can even provide its own method of crewing. There are a number of other colorless cards which fit into a variety of decks that can provide card advantage at a slightly less efficient rate than Bankbuster and will provide a bit more diversity in terms of their rate of play.

Plaza of Heroes
Legendary creatures are a very popular part of Magic, and we wanted to enable a Legendary-matters archetype in Standard, where such a thing is not usually viable. Unfortunately in this case we overshot on the manabase. The additional abilities beyond mana-fixing on Plaza contribute to frustrating play patterns that have little counterplay. Since Legendary decks already get quite a lot of value out of the Kamigawa channel lands, we are choosing to bring down the power level of the manabase a bit here to compensate.

Wedding Announcement
Similarly to Fable, Wedding Announcement provides a large amount of material for a small mana investment and is difficult to interact with. We are concerned that after banning Fable, if we did not ban Wedding Announcement then it would effectively take Fable’s place in the metagame.

The Wandering Emperor
White’s removal suite in standard is very diverse at the moment, and The Wandering Emperor puts players in a “squeeze” between playing around her on one hand, and playing around sweeper effects on the other. There are other cards in white (and other colours) that provide that same squeeze while not also winning the game in one efficient package. In addition, the two white cards we are banning today are in anticipation that decks featuring these cards would quickly rise in popularity in the context of the other changes to the format.

A note on Sheoldred, the Apocalypse and Bloodtithe Harvester
Although Sheoldred is highly played in black decks at the moment and she is a very efficient threat at her mana cost, we are choosing not to take action on her at this time. We believe that the suite of changes we are making today, specifically those aimed at weakening the black-red based decks, will mean that Sheoldred is more easily answered in the absence of her supporting cast.

Bloodtithe Harvester is a very efficient two-drop which is ubiquitous in black-red based decks. Despite its high rate of play, we feel that the other changes we are making today will allow Harvester to continue to exist in the format and provide a quality two-drop for other fringe decks like vampire tribal which may not have had the chance to shine until now.

Final thoughts
We hope that the changes we have announced today will allow cards and strategies that have previously remained underexplored to rise up and take a more prominent place in the metagame, while still allowing for some versions of the existing decks to continue, albeit at a lower power level. We hope that this will provide an exciting new environment in which players can innovate and compete.


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Légende
le 23/05/2023 10:05
"Probable" est peut-être un peu optimiste. Disons "potentiel" :p
Theluji
Conscrits, Au rapport!
le 23/05/2023 13:52
1) "Starting with black"
C'est pas un peu louche ça ? :{

Sachant que la liste de cartes en en-tête suit elle bel et bien l'ordre classique WUBRG.

2) ça fait beaucoup de cartes. Ce serait vrai tournant par rapport à ce que wotc fait normalement.
Même si avec eux, on ne sait jamais.

Perso je suis sceptique.
Même si pour la diversité, je ne dis pas non :)
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
le 23/05/2023 14:11
Ça a du sens de commencer par le noir, considérant que la couleur a été gâtée récemment- trop au goût de certains.
marsupial
Longue Queue, de marsupio
le 23/05/2023 15:56
Le noir n'a jamais été vraiment gâté : on le jouait pour son côté discard en legacy. Pour faire un monoblack, il faut vraiment se lever de bonne heure. A part la sortie marais dans dark ritual pour hypnotic specter en T1, ce n'est pas vraiment folichon.
molodiets
Kneel before Zod!
le 23/05/2023 16:49
enfin.
Pourquoi si tard?
Bête, et méchant

le 23/05/2023 20:24
Citation :
A part la sortie marais dans dark ritual pour Nécropuissance en T1


Fixed.
Darkent

le 24/05/2023 8:45
Ca m'etonnerais qu'ils bannent autant de cartes.

Pour moi les bans probables cest surtout Reckoner et Fable. C'est vraiment les deux cartes que tu vois partout.

Ataraxa est à peine sorti.

Et encore je dis "probable", Wizards a déjà fait traîner pas mal de decks aggro/midrange de ces derniers metagame sans bouger le petit doigts (Mono Red Amonkhet et Mardu Vehicles)

sigurros
Je suis une

Légende
le 24/05/2023 9:19
Avec ces bans, David Olsen va être content!
Theluji
Conscrits, Au rapport!
hop
le 24/05/2023 12:31
Citation :
Wedding Announcement
Similarly to Fable, Wedding Announcement provides a large amount of material for a small mana investment and is difficult to interact with. We are concerned that after banning Fable, if we did not ban Wedding Announcement then it would effectively take Fable’s place in the metagame.


Ce point-là n'est pas crédible du tout :o

- Wedding Announcement est très forte, mais ne rentre pas dans tous les jeux et est blanche.
Elle ne peut pas "prendre la place" de Fable, car elle ne peut pas remplir le même rôle (value + combo + endgame pour Fable, vs. board presence + pression pour Announcement).

- l'idée de bannir des cartes, c'est bien de voir d'autres decks et cartes prendre leur place.
WotC est en général frileux avec les bans et banniraient plutôt en 2 phases: on ban Fable. Puis on voit ce qui émerge et potentiellement bon ban si le metagame est de nouveau résolu très rapidement.
Theluji
Conscrits, Au rapport!
le 24/05/2023 12:33
ah, et Fable permet d'accélerer aussi avec les trésors.
C'est même LE point qui fait que la carte met de la pression:
- chap I et II annoncent "tour prochain j'ai plus de mana que toit et je sculpte ma main".
- et chap III dit "et même après tout ça, tu as intérêt à me gérer sinon je prends/garde le dessus sur la partie.

Non vraiment, les deux cartes ne sont pas comparables.
ecophonie
Chartres
le 24/05/2023 15:31
Je vois que Atraxa qui me gave perso, une fois que ça touche le board, ça fait trop de value.
Quand dans le format, tu as étali qui lance des sort gratuit, déchirer le multivers qui va aller chercher une autre atraxa ou un autre etali plus n'importe quel sort qui va le réa etc Juste tu retires Atraxa, tu vas craindre un petit Etali T5 mais ça peut encore être gérable alors que Atraxa, ça trouve tout, ça bloque tout.
Tout le reste des cartes sont très fortes mais ce sont souvent de bon outils pas des wincon en elle même.

Fable a beau ramper filtré tout ça, c'est surtout parce qu'on a des cartes broken à réa derrière que c'est considéré comme pété en ce moment.

Invocation du désespoir, c'est pareil, la carte en elle même est forte mais pas pété. C'est son interaction avec Chandra qui fait mal et le fait que la plupart des deck essaient de s'adapter en même temps à Atraxa réa et rakdos, ce qui nécessite une spirale go big. Si Atraxa disparaît, les réa devrait être moins présent, on aurait alors juste à s'adapter à du rakdos sans devoir à tout prix passer au dessus.

Il manque peut être juste un Percesort dans le format pour rect réa et rakdos
Coro
S'il n'y a pas de solution, il n'y a pas de problème.

Légende
le 24/05/2023 15:41
Citation :
Il manque peut être juste un Percesort dans le format pour rect réa et rakdos
Spellpierce est en standard dans Kamigawa ND.
ecophonie
Chartres
le 24/05/2023 15:55
arf, on en voit tellement plus que je pensais que ça avait disparu, le go big et le grind infini l'emporte sur la pichenette
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
Banned
le 29/05/2023 17:59
Invoke Despair is banned.
Fable of the Mirror-Breaker is banned.
Reckoner Bankbuster is banned.


Wedding Announcement, The Wandering Emperor, Raffine, Scheming Seer, Atraxa, Grand Unifier et Plaza of Heroes échappent au ban
Anonyme1
Protection contre les phaseurs, Traversée des *counters*

Légende
Lien debl'annonce
le 29/05/2023 17:59
molodiets
Kneel before Zod!
le 29/05/2023 18:32
Bonne nouvelle.
Je pense pas qu'ataraxa puisse etre jouée sans fable of the miror-breaker mais je vois pas non plus de raison de la laisser en standard. Elle est tres penible meme dans controle
Rafine n'est pas non plus une carte trés amusante a affronter.
Wedding anouncement et the wandering emperor sont, pour moi, des cartes équilibrées et pas specialement frustrantes.

Citation :
Moving forward, we are going to change the cadence with which we manage our formats, particularly Standard.

si j'ai bien compris les bans seront plus rares, ce qui serait une mauvaise nouvelle (surtout conjugué a des rotations plus rares)
S'il s'agit juste d'ameliorer la regularité des bans alors je ne peux pas m'en plaindre. De toutes façons, l'important n'est pas tant que les bans soient fréquents, l'important c'est que les bans soients réels et qu'ils ne rechignent pas a bannir des cartes pour ameliorer la diversité et l'attrait du jeu en standard
masticore
Angers, FRANCE

Légende
le 30/05/2023 16:01
Fable du brise-miroir est fumé de toute façon... ça va faire du bien au format
Darkent

le 30/05/2023 20:17
Citation :
Today is step one.

That step is that we're going to extend the lifecycle of all cards in Standard by one year: starting with the current Standard environment, sets will rotate out every three years rather than every two years.


Sympa :)
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