Makexime
Légende
[1vs1 20 pv] Banlist du 17/07/2017
le 17/07/2017 20:26
Je vous envoi les info tel quel de FB:

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JULY 2017 RULES / BANLIST UPDATE
IL Y A 9 MINUTES · PUBLIC
The last 3 months were quite interesting for our beloved format, with lots of great tournaments and a large affluence at those tournaments. With such a large data and a careful study of the Magic Online 1vs1 Commander updates, we found that the following changes would improve Duel Commander tournaments.
Changes:

👉 Individual card changes:
Geist of Saint Traft is now banned as as commander only.
Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy is now banned as as commander only.
Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder is now banned as as commander only.

Polymorph is now banned.
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is now banned.

Ancient Tomb is now legal.
Mind Twist is now legal.
Fastbond is now legal.
👉 Don’t forget to check out our Current Lists Facebook note for a recap of all the currently banned cards.
These changes apply on July 21, 2017. Of course, you can still contact us via this Facebook page. The next announcements will be published on September 25, 2017 (applying on September 29, 2017).

Until then, we wish you all many good games! :)

Further individual explanations:



Geist of Saint Traft
It’s always hard to remove a historical commander. The true, recurring, solid outs that Geist of Saint Traft provides were already a strong problem when facing a higher starting life total, which they proved to be even more efficient at blowing up now, several months after they even got lowered back to normal.

Geist of Saint Traft is one of the rare handfuls of commanders which have the evil hexproof ability, and the cheapest of them. The absolute lack of interactions it offers, the immediate pressure it gives -despite the absence of moxen- and the killing clock it gives, as much as its position in the format, forbidding many building strategies to exist or annihilating them makes Geist of Saint Traft too toxic to remain in the command zone.


Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy
Among all the available commanders for control decks, Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy is without a doubt the most proactive one. It enters the battlefield very early, it sculpts its owner’s hand efficiently, up to the point that player can compose his or her deck with very “metagame” cards, like Hydroblast, or Mind Harness. During the game, it favours blue’s favourite weapons, like instants and sorceries, abilities like flashback or delve, and generates card advantage easily. At some point, it allows setting up degenerate synergies that will quickly end games, with cards like Intuition, functional copycats of Time Walk, or High Tide.
Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy definitely has too many elements in its favor to remain eligible to the Command zone. In order to open the diversity of the format, Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy is now banned as a commander.


Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder
Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder is a strong card. But most problematically: it’s a toxic card. It shaped the metagame by removing all fair aggressive decks and most midrange decks. It is focusing the format by losing against mono-blue decks and beating mono-blue decks predators. Banning Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder also allows keeping the very interesting Partner keyword which favours original and exotic deckbuilding. So it’s unfortunately time for Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder to leave us.




Polymorph
Having a gigantic creature entering the battlefield at a reduced cost is a dreadful strategy that should be subject to reasonable constraints. The interaction between Polymorph and the Command zone makes it unfair. Indeed, in Duel Commander, Polymorph is definitely freed from its initial constraint: producing a creature without playing creature cards. We’re reaching the breaking point of those reasonable constraints when Polymorph is paired with highly synergic commanders like Baral, Chief of Compliance (that allows it to happen on turn 3) or Vendilion Clique (which controls possible answers). Because of the danger it represents in Duel Commander, Polymorph is now banned.


Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is most of the time the end of any strategic approach of a game. Being nearly impossible to kill and having Annihilator 6 makes it overwhelming. If Emrakul, the Aeons Torn was only cast during the later parts of games, it wouldn’t be a problem. But with cards like Synthetic Destiny or even Through the Breach it can enter the battlefield way too early. The card is also very (very) rarely cast for {15}. Adding no value to format and causing some trouble, we choose to ban Emrakul, the Aeons Torn from Duel Commander.



Ancient Tomb
The ban of Ancient Tomb is mostly an archaism of the 30 starting life totals era. Without any playable aggressive strategy, it was a flawless 2-mana land. This is not true today anymore! Ancient Tomb is still a great card, but a very risky one. Bringing back Ancient Tomb also promotes strategic complexity of the format by offering more versatility in mana development. So… Welcome back Ancient Tomb! But beware: the world has changed...





Mind Twist
Mind Twist is one of the first cards to be banned in Magic, back in 1994. Even if there are many combinations one could dream of with Mind Twist (with fast mana elves or Dark Ritual, for example) most of the time it ends up being an expensive Hymn to Tourach. Also, fast mana is now getting harder to produce in Duel Commander. The pro-active metagame also means more active decks and Mind Twisting an opponent’s hand by turn 4 is not such a good deal now. The command zone also reduces the impact of mass discard. This is why we think it’s the right time to bring back this iconic card in Duel Commander.



Fastbond
Fastbond is explosive in most early games (with many more conditions than it looks, though) and often forsaken in the late game state, despite the presence of Crucible of Worlds or The Gitrog Monster, or Ramunap Excavator. Despite the fact that it has led to aberrant starts in the past, the drawback is now far more problematic. Fastbond still holds a high potential, yet it is tamed by the pace of the format we’ve had for a few months now. We also think Duel Commander is more spectacular with that kind of broken cards than when played with four copies. Therefore, Fastbond is worth a come back.
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nathramn
Lyon, Team trashtalk
le 22/07/2017 12:29
ouais, après à part la combo meularde, ça reste compliqué !
Naesty
le 22/07/2017 13:21
Enchantress un archétype jouable ? ca reste quand même tendu, je pense pas que Fastbond Soit à lui seul un élément permettant au jeu d'exister
darkjb
le 22/07/2017 14:16
J'ai deja tue à la meule avec l'ulti de baby jace, bon ben c'est ban maintenant >.<
wild
Paris
le 22/07/2017 15:06
Papa Jace tue très bien à la meule.
macross76
Le Havre, France
le 22/07/2017 18:07
On a des News du tournoi DC du site bleu ce déroulant aujourd'hui ?
asimov67
Metz, France
le 22/07/2017 18:20
pas assez de joueurs je crois
newtraderdu78
Region Parisienne, France
le 22/07/2017 19:01
Ouep le tournois a été annoncé 2 jours avant lol.. et quasiment aucune pub de faite ^^
macross76
Le Havre, France
le 22/07/2017 19:49
Dommage, on aurait pu avoir un première aperçu du nouveau meta. Ceci dit, le vrai meta sera connu quand C17 sera sorti.
newtraderdu78
Region Parisienne, France
le 22/07/2017 19:51
oui et puis bon un tournois boutique de 20 joueurs ca donne pas vraiment d'aperçu sur quoi que ce soit ^^
macross76
Le Havre, France
le 22/07/2017 19:52
Dsl du double post
En parlant de C17, ça donne quoi les test avec le chaton vu que Geist est parti ?
newtraderdu78
Region Parisienne, France
le 22/07/2017 20:04
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Dsl du double post
En parlant de C17, ça donne quoi les test avec le chaton vu que Geist est parti ?

Bof rien ne broken
macross76
Le Havre, France
le 22/07/2017 20:07
Vous avez test contre quoi et avec quel liste ?
SamyOddjob
Paris, France
le 22/07/2017 20:29
Pour le tournoi a corp on était que 6 LOL
y'avait 1 sigarda, 1 ojutai, 1 marchesa burn, 1 wonderer, 1 titania et enfin 1 padeem :)
Le Padeem a été le grand gagnant avec un mono-U control très balèze !!!
En ce qui concerne les déban, on peut deja dire que fastbond c'est bien venere titania a fait des sorties fulgurantes, face a moi il a fait Titania T1, sigarda a aussi utilisé fastbond et jouait ramp avec des enormes thons, c'était assez impressionant.
Dans l'ensemble le "mini tournoi" était très sympa, super ambiance pour essayer des nouveaux deck, tout le monde testaient les débans, perso je pense que l'on va voir pas mal de diversité durant l'été, je suis très optimiste :)
SamyOddjob
Paris, France
le 22/07/2017 20:31
(je sais très bien que ce petit tournoi ne représente rien concrètement, mais c'était cool de voir tout le monde essayer des nouvelles idées, et dans l'ensemble beaucoup ne savent toujours pas quoi jouer)
Makexime
Légende
le 22/07/2017 21:02
Marchesa Burn, putain les mecs vous savez me faire plaisir :D
walkingdead07
le 22/07/2017 21:03
Citation :
En ce qui concerne les déban, on peut deja dire que fastbond c'est bien venere titania a fait des sorties fulgurantes, face a moi il a fait Titania T1, sigarda a aussi utilisé fastbond et jouait ramp avec des enormes thons, c'était assez impressionant.
Dans l'ensemble le "mini tournoi" était très sympa, super ambiance pour essayer des nouveaux deck, tout le monde testaient les débans, perso je pense que l'on va voir pas mal de diversité durant l'été, je suis très optimiste :)

:-)
darkjb
le 22/07/2017 21:32
Ca m'a l'air intelligent fastbond.
walkingdead07
le 22/07/2017 22:16
L'unban de Fastbond me fait un peu peur.
Peut-etre à tort...

Fastbond c'est fort au debut, mais ca peut etre fort aussi a la fin dans certains decks, ce n'était pas le cas de Chrome Mox.

Je ne suis pas pessimiste, mais assez sceptique malgré tout.
Fevin


SYLVIN
...
le 22/07/2017 23:03
Le Titania T1 via fastbond, sa main c'etait donc :

1 - Forest
2 - Fastbond
3 - Forest / Fetch / Petale de Lotus / Elvish Spirit Guide
4 - Forest
5 - Ancienne Tombe / Cité des traitres / Veine de Crystal / (Crop rotation + Forest)
6 - Any land arrivant untap

Ou

1 - Forest
2 - Fastbond
3 - Forest / Fetch
4 - Forest / Petale de Lotus / Elvish Spirit Guide
5 - Cobra Lotus
6 & 7 - Deux autres cartes parmis de nombreuses combinisaisons (enfin land land ou land crop)

Ou

1 - Forest / Petale de Lotus / Elvish Spirit Guide
2 - Fastbond
3 - Fetch
4 - Ancienne Tombe / Cité des traitres / Veine de Crystal
5 - Cobra Lotus
6 - Petrified Field

Pour savoir si c'etait une main de 6 cartes ou de 7 cartes et si c'est très facile ou vraiment trop facile à faire ...
Nabokov
Autiste, A Sperger
le 22/07/2017 23:19
J'ai pas suivi tout les débats j'en profite juste pour dire que kalitas c'est vraiment fort maintenant :)
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